Reality TV has produced some of the most famous and infamous celebrities in pop culture history, and the business of being famous, for being famous, is booming. But if you think being famous for being yourself is easy… you’re out of touch with reality. Brant knows this world intimately as he has created shows launching several reality TV stars, including special guests Heidi and Spencer Pratt.

In this episode, Brant examines the price of reality TV fame and fortune with guests Jonathan Murray, arguably the most prolific reality TV producer in history, and reality TV’s most controversial couple, Spencer and Heidi Pratt.

Jonathan Murray: Reality TV pioneer, Chairman, and Founder Bunim Murray Productions
Spencer and Heidi Pratt: Reality TV couple, infamous TV villains

Running Time: 1:24:18

1:06 – Being famous for being famous is no easy road
8:50 – Story Time: I don’t want to want to be famous
18:45 – Guest Jonathan Murray
36:20 – Guest Heidi and Spencer
1:18:20 – Why I’m Not… What did we learn?